Tuesday, September 9, 2008

(Week 7)Presentation--Hong Kong Cyberculture: A case study

The article can also be found online from the website: http://www.hku.hk/hkcsp/ccex/ehkcss01/issue3_ar_amy_lai.htm

The article gave the basic sense of conflict between freedom and privacy in cyberspace from the introduction, but Lai’s was not going to argue about the freedom vs. privacy, instead, she was using the online forum, “ICERED”, as the example to explore Hong Kong cyberculture and drew onto discussion about “cyberdemocracy”.

(Also, there are some details about the “E-Silkroad Holdings” and how the privacy of Iceredders became explored legally in this website below, particular in the section of “Legal News From Around the World”:
http://www.hk-lawyer.com/2001-7/July01-news.htm#Legal News )

Lai’s first argument was about the domination in cyberspace, and she suggested that there was a boundary between people who had college education and who had not for the access on the internet. In the case of “ICERED”, at the beginning, it was obviously dominated by those top universities in the U.S., like Oxford University. There was also a rating for all posted articles, according to the English level based on the degrees of, such as, grammatical and expressional concerns, and comment, like “Your English sucks” was very common. This was seen as a discrimination issue, and as the disaffection from people associated with other universities, like Hong Kong University, increased, the website opened wider for more scholars.
I suppose the domination in cyberspace was not good, as it had marginal on people from other groups which might probably be the majority as well. I am glad to know it became more openedly for more people, so that more different comments could be shared.

Also, Lai pointed out that the Internet was a “racialized” space, emphasized the existence of “whiteness”. Whenever there was a topic related to racial identity, the Iceredders would use the ideal physical feature of the particular race, like skin color, to classify other racial groups as well as their own, in both assailing and defending situations. As the connection between racial identity and the physical body was so strong, and even the Iceredders were all invisible, race did not disappear online.
This is so true, and it gave me some more ideas about the relationship between our bodies and online.

Then, Lai led to the cyber related sexuality and gender concerns. She believed that within this dis-embodied space, the gender identity was being re-embodied with greater homogeneity rather than a new form of identity. Therefore, men and women both were stereotyped, for example, the idea of men being as the “sex-hunters" and they paid and used women for sex. She also mentioned about the dating relationship from the online chatting. The issues of sexual harassment and abuse were also considered. Moreover, the gay and lesbian was a controversial topic, for moral concern was involved, though the internet gave a way for people to discuss about it. However, many differences existed between the West and most Asia countries, so the national (or more accurately, the regional) boundaries for the culture were quite clear. Also, Lyotard suggested that the technologies could reinforce traditional hierarchical structures and sometimes it could even subvert it.
I really agree with Lai's argument on the cyber related sexuality and gender issues. Especially for the topic of gay and lesbian, personally I don't have a problem with it, even though I am not one. But as an Asian, I understand why it is controvisal, as it againsts the traditional cultural structure in most Asian countries, i.e., the patrilineage system. It then becomes sensitive and many people in Asia think that the internet can actually "advertise" it to teenagers, I do think this is a problem. When I was younger I knew less and I used to feel lost and unsure about things arounded me. However, again, the internet is part of the media and so ethic and morality issues included in it will be on-going subjects to discuss.

Lai, then, talked about Multi-user Object Oriented (MOO) identity, which related to people’s lives online and spending less time in their “real” life with families and friends. Many people were trying to hold on to their online identities and refused to believe what they did not want to see offline. In some extreme case, it caused to the loss of contact with the real world.
This is a real problem in Hong Kong, and couple years before there was actually a teenage boy killed himself because of the loss of weapons from an online computer game. By this case, we can see how "addicted" online can affect people and make them become confused in the virtual cyberspace. However, I think getting online is certainly having some benefits on our lives, for instant, it is convinent for passing and receiving information, it is just that we have to be careful when getting information from it.

In the conclusion, Lai did a comparison on the “ICERED” from Singapore section to Hong Kong.

6 comments:

Anonymous said...

I think one thing about the way we can access information on the internet is certainly good: we have a choice now (if we don't live in a country that applies heavy censorship that is...). Instead of having just one or a handful of daily newspapers or news on TV to choose from we are now faced with thousands of websites and we can form our own opinion simply by 'surfing'; by clicking through them and see all the pros and cons and insights on different topics. I really think this is an advantage. By judging how valuable information is that is given to us we also learn to question it.

Ka Hung Chan said...

The "Internet addictions" and socialbility are inclined, which happens amongst Hong Kong teenagers. However, in this case the IceReders (who formed by professionals)could get their balance between social life and virtual life. Perhaps it depends on how the users mature. I guess the Cyberspace has offered the users some of discourse, the users' responsiblities, which depends on their age. (like Lavalife has offered the social discourse that female in their 30s should create a relationship and a family.)

Elyse said...

I definitely agree that the internet is an advantage in providing a forum for a diverse range of opinions without censorship. However, the internet also provides for extreme opinions which often give rise to forms of discrimination. In the article by Amy Lai Tak-yee, she draws attention to "Ratman's" comments. He claims the legitamacy of some report which has shown that women from Hong Kong have lower I.Q.s than other Asian women. Although these reports were false and clearly absurd, they were circulated around ICERED. This takes away any accountability. Even though it is common sense not to always believe what you read on the net, there will always be some people who take these 'reports' as completely true. Tak-yee comments on how these comments are "much more severe than anything one can possibly encounter in real-life face-to-face intereactions". I highly doubt that Ratman would be able to claim these things face-to-face in his real life. So, the anonyniminity of being on the net, allows some people to openly racist, sexist and homophobic.

Nikki Graham said...

I think that this article raised alot of issues when it comes to discussions in cyberspace.

Cyberspace and the Internet was originally thought to be non-discriminatory to race and gender, because online you can be anyone.
However this also has drastic consequences, which have been shown through the media such as paedophiles pretending to be young men, people sending emails about needing donations for some "deadly illness" that isn't true, or some people able to pretend they are someone they really are not.

Blogs and online community groups do tend to show racism. However, the racism being showed doesn't seem to differ from racism in everyday life, it is just that people aren't afraid to say what they think when it is not face to face.

Some groups online also seem to reflect groups already in the community, such as the KKK in real life.

It seems that everything is being translated into cyberspace from real life, even the bad aspects of life such as racism and discrimination.

Alice C said...

[sorry this comment is so late guys - last week was super busy, but better late than never, right? :)]

I also found Amy Lai Tak-yee's article pretty interesting, and certainly thought she raised some quite valid points. Elyse comments on her point that some extremely discriminatory posts can be found on message boards that may not be encountered offline to such extremes. i definately have encountered this, i find it interesting to read people's comments [for example, to youtube videos] but they can sometimes be surprisingly offensive - eg. incredibly homophobic comments to Katie Perri's music video which seemed irrelevant and completely unnecessary in that context [well, in every context].

I was surprised at just how elitist ICERED began, with Canadian universities, for example de-legitimised.

Ratman's comments quoted in the article reminded me of a women's studies class where my professor pointed out how when people form an argument, particularly something sexist, they will use the phrase 'studies have been done' to give the argument the sort of legitimacy that Western cultures have traditionally given to science. After this class, i started to notice this in a lot of different contexts - and here it was again!

[Did anyone else search for ICERED? I was keen to read more of the threads - i had a look but i think it has been bought out by a company and is down at the moment].

Rachel Tan said...

I've found an online article that discusses more about ICERED and I found it rather insightful.
http://jmsc.hku.hk/intranet/files/jmsc6022/icered.doc

I personally feel that the internet and other forms of media influences have changed so much over the years, and it certainly raises some disturbing concerns. From what the article discussed about racism and discrimination in cyberspace, it is no longer a taboo topic and many people have been influence or affected in a way or another.

That is why censorship laws in countries should be strongly encouraged and practiced. I am from Singapore and my country strongly practices censorship laws in every forms of media. For example a "Singapore radio station has been fined $S15,000 ($A12,800) after a woman simulated a sex act on air and raised the ire of the island's censors." Another classic example is you will never hear a vulgarity said on televisions and radios, it has all been censored. And there are many other examples of taboo topics that are not meant to be discussed in public views.

To read more:
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/09/26/1064083193387.html?from=storyrhs

I know of other countries that practices censorship and I personally feel that it has more pros than cons. It good that a country controls and restricts it's citizens from negative influences such as racism and discrimination, it is a form of protection for it's people. Then again everyone deserves their own free will.